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how's everybody doing today um

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yeah i thought it would go with just

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something peaceful and calming

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and i was actually at the lake today it

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was extremely foggy and um yeah it was

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kind of kind of cool so

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wanted to

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do that just a bit for y'all what's up

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robert j

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ethereal aura

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uh how's everybody doing

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dennis silva how's it going

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um

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yeah i'm super excited about today we

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have uh uap educational boot camp part 4

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with christopher walford

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um and it's going to be great because

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the first

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two days at least were just straight

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lapaz

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40 documents 19 late 40s

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uh wednesday yesterday we had graham

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rendell with some more documents so

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today we're going to take off from the

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documents at least i think so

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and um we're going to get pretty

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familiar as this gentleman puts it

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uh so uh without further ado i'm going

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to bring in a great dear friend of mine

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who has been really a champion

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of this whole thing for

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a lot longer than me

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um and we owe him a debt of gratitude

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for that so

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um without further ado here he is mr

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christopher walford

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[Laughter]

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are you

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good good good yeah we already did this

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thank you for having me on yeah

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yeah

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we fight really easily

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yes

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yeah so

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i put it uh the video

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in the comments or the um description so

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i'm not sure if people saw it um

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we could watch it or we could just talk

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about it

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whatever you want to do

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it's your show

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yeah

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i guess huh

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well let's just

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actually let's just get into it and i'll

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start with i'll start with this so

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um

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when i watched it i saw a

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circus and um people who it seemed like

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they wanted to uh disclose via that

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circus

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yeah i mean

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the bet

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unfortunately that video doesn't really

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give you the back story but yeah

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it was bob xler who

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was a very well-known

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ufo researcher in the 80s through the

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and then something happened to him it

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may or may not

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have been directly linked to cosmic

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journey what happened with that

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and i'll get to that at the very end but

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he he was a very

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well-known researcher

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well-respected well-liked

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and um he was in the air force for four

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he has this interest in the subject and

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he wanted to basically get as close as

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to this subject so the best way to do

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barge into a conference where

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dod and or

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military guys would be

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for his technology conference uh outside

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of maryland yeah

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yeah he uh

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he finds his way into this conference

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and there is a

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admiral

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bobby ray inman who

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if you know your lore he definitely is a

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very connected guy former deputy

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director of the cia head of the nsa

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uh also ran some intelligent stuff for

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the white house uh in the 90s

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so like the guy is connected uh so exler

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goes and bugs him

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and says i would like to speak to you

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about just robotics he doesn't mention

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ufos right away he just says robotics

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yeah he had uh new technologies

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and inman and his uh his uh assistant or

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like okay do you have a business card an

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excellent says yes he gives a business

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card and then for like three months

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excellent doesn't hear anything from

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bobby ray inman not a peep not nothing

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so he's like well i guess that's done

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inman does call

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and says hey i would like to set up a

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meeting with you

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i'd like to at least speak over the

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phone with you

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well excellent was like this is my

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chance this is my chance i'm going to

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ask him everything i want to ask him

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what inman

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and frantically asked to exler was

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please do not record these conversations

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these are not to be recorded or exceller

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did the opposite record

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well whatever i mean i i know it's

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probably illegal but whatever

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you're not gonna know

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whatever well they do find out later on

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exactly

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yeah it wasn't good for exceller

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he proceeds to call

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uh and they talk about

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various things and again exceller does

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not want to

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lead off with hey what do you know about

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ufos he does not go into that in fact

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right before i came out here i was

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re-watching one of his interviews with a

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uh a show that interviewed bob actually

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back in 2007 so he's recounting

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what happened to him during his time and

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circa 2014 i reached out to bob axler

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and asked him about this whole thing and

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he would not talk about the bobby ray

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inman stuff he did talk about the cosmic

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journey a bit and how all that during

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that time frame was really weird it was

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like he he told me it was like living in

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a bond film and or book

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like the craziest stuff would happen and

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him and nexter go back and forth about

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technology and

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finally exceller is like well

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what do you know about

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like the ufo subject

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and so inman's like what do you

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he's like well my knowledge would be

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so right there actually was like holy

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that's amazing you were just now telling

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me it's outdated so there's something to

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this and inman never said no there's

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nothing to the ufo phenomenon he never

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it's bunk it's not real he he gave every

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indication it's very much real and that

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at the highest levels of government they

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definitely are paying attention to it

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and studying it

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so exceller pressed them he's like who

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be in the know

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currently and inman gave him some names

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uh deputy director of the cia during

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he was about to retire and

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actually that gentleman asked exler at

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one point to come to the cia and give

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them a

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citizen's briefing on crop circles

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yeah i mean wow again yeah citizens

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briefing

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yeah exactly holy cow uh well mind you

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uh exceller was working

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damn it collin what not kyle wilson was

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a cow yeah colin wilson uh of the uk the

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famous british um

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crop circle researcher he's they're

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so he goes and presents this

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their science and technology people and

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they're asking questions and he he

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didn't think anything of it and then he

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vehicles again he goes

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so then he presses some actually presses

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would have said no but right now things

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are changing and people seem to be more

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they just talked

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he talked more about the his time in

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vietnam because obviously inman navy

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axler was an air force so they had that

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camaraderie

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but they didn't he didn't go any further

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then inman put him in contact with

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people that had a special project to

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work on

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and they never said what this was and

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that turned out to be cosmic journey wow

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it involved

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who was described as a

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he was a man's man tough tough as nails

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he had a mustache it was very bright

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orange bright red

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and uh he just he was always chewing on

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the cigar

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and he he was the liaison to bob xler

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for this project uh this cosmic

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journey the first meeting that axler had

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he was told to go to this area to get

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his security badge and that will let him

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in

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well he goes through what he thought was

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a metal detector and apparently was not

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it was something else it almost harkens

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back to like what's going on right now

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with havana syndrome he said he felt

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things in his head like he was tingling

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in his head

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and this general said oh

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the first few times you're going to feel

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that after a while it's not a big deal

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it's not a big deal

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it probably makes you go oh dark but who

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cares it's just a slide 9 thing they'll

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come out with it later on and yeah yeah

291
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exactly

292
00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:29,120
axler is like all right so what's this

293
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thing you want to work on and

294
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they present cosmic journey

295
00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:35,839
you know you as you would say sean does

296
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this traveling circus well

297
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they really

298
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wanted to do this they were

299
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all about it they obviously hired this

300
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production company to film what you saw

301
00:11:52,150 --> 00:11:50,079
in that in the video that they sent you

302
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or shared with you and

303
00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:54,959
they were they went pretty far

304
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they went further with excellent than

305
00:12:01,990 --> 00:11:59,440
they did with the public obviously

306
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excellent then was told

307
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go back home and we'll be in touch

308
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and

309
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he didn't hear from him for about a

310
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month and then a month passes and they

311
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re the same general reaches out to him

312
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and says

313
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i want you to

314
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meet

315
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me at this

316
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it looked like a private airport in

317
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maryland

318
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and he meets him there and he flies in

319
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the helicopter

320
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to some other place gets on the plane

321
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flies to florida

322
00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:34,480
i i know it's crazy i i i wish i could

323
00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:36,480
make that i can't believe you could like

324
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keep track of all this stuff

325
00:12:42,629 --> 00:12:41,839
well i i've again i i've asked bob well

326
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he's

327
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yeah i mean bob has since passed he died

328
00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:47,440
last june oh uh

329
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yeah so he's no longer with us

330
00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:51,360
and he really wouldn't uh

331
00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:53,920
talked about ufo stuff anyway he was

332
00:12:59,030 --> 00:12:56,800
and i'll get to that the reason why

333
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so he goes to florida and they get him

334
00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:01,279
on another helicopter with this general

335
00:13:07,269 --> 00:13:04,000
and they take him to what he had said

336
00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:07,279
looked like an offshore oil rig but it

337
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wasn't

338
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it was a tracking center for

339
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now hold on sean let me think it was

340
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alien

341
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controlled a

342
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it was not arv

343
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it was alien something

344
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no it was something a long alien

345
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vehicle something in that iteration and

346
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there was this giant screen and it

347
00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:37,200
showed numbers and these things were

348
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being tracked in the caribbean wow and

349
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he was like what is that they're like

350
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what do you think that is

351
00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:44,720
he's like

352
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are they ufos

353
00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:49,040
well yeah and they're like yeah but we

354
00:13:55,430 --> 00:13:51,440
don't call him ufos

355
00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:55,440
he's like okay so they shown that

356
00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:58,079
they take him back home to the maryland

357
00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:00,639
after a couple hours which whatever i

358
00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:03,279
don't he does not go

359
00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:04,560
i know i'm kind of

360
00:14:10,389 --> 00:14:07,839
all over the place but uh i will say

361
00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:10,399
for anybody who really wants to learn

362
00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:12,800
more about this including you sean if

363
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:15,279
you could find a used copy of timothy

364
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:18,000
good's book alien contact there's a

365
00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:20,480
whole chapter on this and it's another

366
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:22,800
reason why i know so much is because as

367
00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,040
a kid i was like i love this chapter

368
00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:27,519
it's amazing

369
00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:29,519
so

370
00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:31,760
a couple weeks go by and he does not

371
00:14:35,910 --> 00:14:33,839
hear from the general and he doesn't

372
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:35,920
know what's going on with

373
00:14:39,509 --> 00:14:38,079
cosmic journey if it's still going on or

374
00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:39,519
what have you

375
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:42,079
then he has this weird incident

376
00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:44,320
where he drops his daughter off to her

377
00:14:47,829 --> 00:14:46,399
friend's house a couple of miles away

378
00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:47,839
from his house and there's this

379
00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:50,480
helicopter that's following him

380
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the whole way

381
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:54,560
and not harassing him just following him

382
00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:57,199
and then it lanes in the at like in his

383
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neighborhood somewhere in the field and

384
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that same general the redhead gets out

385
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:04,800
and basically says

386
00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:07,120
uh concert journey is on and we need you

387
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,199
to come with me right now

388
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,959
and

389
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:12,720
yeah get in this chopper come with me

390
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:15,120
right now and we are going to basically

391
00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:17,360
get in the chat

392
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,279
and they briefed him

393
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:21,519
on i guess

394
00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:24,480
alien life forms

395
00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:27,199
again i know crazy crazy stuff

396
00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:28,720
um

397
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:31,519
i have no reason not to believe this

398
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:33,040
i really don't i know it sounds

399
00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:34,639
fantastical but

400
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,360
timothy good obviously he's still around

401
00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:39,600
but he's not doing the ufo stuff anymore

402
00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:43,279
so much but he he vouched for

403
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:45,920
timothy or excuse me for bob

404
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:49,839
baxter even colin wilson uh i've i

405
00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:51,360
talked to him and he said he'd you know

406
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:53,839
he vouches for him he does not say that

407
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:56,800
he was a person who would make up stuff

408
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,440
yeah so they they briefed him on this

409
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:01,199
and they said we're going to bring this

410
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:04,320
to all 50 states this this

411
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,320
cosmic journey we're going to talk about

412
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,399
the ufo phenomenon

413
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,800
as a historical thing

414
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,240
we're going to talk about crash

415
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:14,079
retrievals and we're going to talk about

416
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,240
the occupants of the craft and he was

417
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:18,480
like holy [\h__\h] like this is amazing

418
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:19,600
we're actually going to do this they're

419
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:21,279
like yeah

420
00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:22,800
and then

421
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,240
mind you during this entire time he's

422
00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:25,920
also talking to timothy good he's

423
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:28,320
telling them all this stuff well what

424
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:31,680
happens in late 89 early 90 timothy good

425
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,240
publishes the book alien contact now

426
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,040
guess who is not too pleased about that

427
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:39,360
bobby raymond

428
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,199
and i i have no way of proving this

429
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:45,360
but

430
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:47,519
i mean there's there's

431
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:49,680
coincidence like this just don't happen

432
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:52,720
okay i'm sorry it just doesn't

433
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:55,920
so and all your viewers can look this up

434
00:17:01,829 --> 00:16:57,680
um

435
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,839
in ontario canada in the early 90s like

436
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:03,839
90 or 91 somewhere around that time

437
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,280
frame

438
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:07,760
there was a purported

439
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,799
ufo had landed and this

440
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,400
person

441
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,799
had filmed landing and actually in

442
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:17,039
another

443
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:21,839
shown

444
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,880
a great alien but it was from a still

445
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:25,679
from

446
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:28,160
this video but in the video itself does

447
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:29,919
not show the alien so i don't know where

448
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:32,000
that came in

449
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,039
whatever

450
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,200
it turns out it was all hopes okay this

451
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:37,600
whole thing this guardian thing and you

452
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,280
could find it on youtube he was on

453
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:41,919
unsolved mystery sightings and bob axler

454
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:44,320
was the primary researcher

455
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,200
who

456
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,799
got involved with that because they sent

457
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,919
this tape

458
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:49,520
with a thumbprint

459
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:53,200
and the name guardian to bob axler

460
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:56,160
and then once it was found out that it

461
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:58,880
was a hoax

462
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:01,039
he got rid of

463
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:04,400
like all his ufo stuff he stopped doing

464
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:06,640
lectures he stopped researching all

465
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,960
together and it really messed him up

466
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,240
like people talk about like paul

467
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:12,960
bennowitz how the us government messed

468
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:15,760
him up well i would contend that

469
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:17,760
the whoever

470
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:20,320
whether it be inman or this general

471
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:23,120
messed up bob axler to the point where

472
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:26,480
it took until 2007 for him to talk

473
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:29,039
about this more openly than obviously

474
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:30,960
when i talked to him in 2014 he didn't

475
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:32,640
want to talk about anymore honestly his

476
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:35,120
health was failing him at that point but

477
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,640
he did answer a few questions about

478
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:39,200
cosmic journey which i'm like so they

479
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:40,720
literally wanted to bring this all 50

480
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,919
states he's like yeah that's what they

481
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:43,840
showed me they showed me that they were

482
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,000
they built they were going to build that

483
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:48,000
uh it was a scale model it's in the

484
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:51,039
video of like that triangular ufo is

485
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,520
more rounded

486
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,679
let's take a break and watch it

487
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,840
all right sounds good okay yeah let's do

488
00:19:08,470 --> 00:18:59,280
that

489
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,430
cosmic journey one of the most revealing

490
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,600
glimpses of just what the pentagon knew

491
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:16,080
about the existence of crash sources and

492
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:17,679
alien contact

493
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,400
came in 1989 with the development of a

494
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,679
top secret project codenamed cosmic

495
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:24,640
journey

496
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,440
live entertainment a new concept and a

497
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,039
new dimension

498
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:36,000
this is something that no one should

499
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,039
miss

500
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,880
and i guarantee you

501
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,200
that millions and millions of people

502
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:42,799
throughout the world

503
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:44,960
will remember this for the rest of their

504
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,280
life its aim was to display to the

505
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,919
public by way of a traveling exhibition

506
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,480
the crashed craft and preserved alien

507
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:54,559
bodies that the government had in its

508
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,760
possession

509
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:57,679
the pentagon enlisted the help of

510
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,400
bobexler a nasa mission specialist in

511
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:03,600
robotics who was also a respected ufo

512
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,880
researcher

513
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,200
at a series of meetings in washington in

514
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,240
1989 military officials set out their

515
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,559
plans to exla

516
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:15,120
they were devising a variety of kiosks

517
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:18,640
to show the history of the ufo sightings

518
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,600
ufos associated with the space program

519
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:24,159
and of course aliens associated with

520
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,919
commonly with the abduction phenomena

521
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,440
i was shown

522
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,080
a photographic rendition that involved

523
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:34,799
an actual what appeared to be some form

524
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:37,280
of an alien creature

525
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,559
typical to the uh gray aliens that have

526
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,240
been referred to popularly in the

527
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,960
publications in the press

528
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:47,120
the creature was

529
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:48,480
encased in

530
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,280
uh

531
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,919
sort of a glass coffin-like structure

532
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,679
that

533
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,840
was being preserved there's a lot of

534
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,480
apparatus tanks and so forth probably

535
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:01,039
some form of a cryogenic tank

536
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,880
to preserve the uh the body from decay

537
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:07,440
as part of his indoctrination program

538
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,159
exla was flown out to an offshore norad

539
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,400
tracking facility

540
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,200
traveling in unmarked black helicopters

541
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,360
they headed out 20 miles off the coast

542
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,760
of florida landing on what looked like

543
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,320
an oil rig

544
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,320
as we got into this facility we

545
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,200
descended to uh an area that i would

546
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,240
describe as sort of a mezzanine area

547
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,320
looking out over a control room this was

548
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,520
obviously a

549
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,080
norad tracking facility

550
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,799
there was a huge

551
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:40,320
screen it

552
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:43,600
represented an area of the

553
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,799
southeast quadrant of the united states

554
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,720
then there were a series of

555
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:50,799
lights that were floating along sort of

556
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,000
like the top of this uh grid area

557
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,320
uh there were five of them and all were

558
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,960
labeled by the way uh on the screen as

559
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,200
afc's and i heard someone

560
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,760
make reference to alternative spacecraft

561
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:06,799
the graph went down into this grid uh

562
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:10,240
into this vortex area and then dispersed

563
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,120
and

564
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:12,480
no one seemed to

565
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,669
presenting

566
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,520
cosmic journey

567
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:24,480
an experiential entertainment concept of

568
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:31,830
cosmetics i've not since been contacted

569
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,400
by anyone associated with the cosmic

570
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:36,720
journey uh there have been since the

571
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,000
publication of the book uh revealing the

572
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,080
the project itself there have been

573
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,200
a number of plausible denials by uh

574
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:47,840
members associated with the project and

575
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,720
of course categorical denials on uh

576
00:22:56,670 --> 00:22:53,120
anything related to the

577
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,680
more intrinsic alien issues

578
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,880
[Music]

579
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,440
the only official ufo investigation that

580
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,760
the united states will admit to was

581
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,440
project blue book

582
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,679
it was set up by president truman in

583
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,280
1952

584
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,159
after a rash of ufo sightings over

585
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,360
sensitive military areas

586
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,600
was it a genuine attempt to investigate

587
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,640
ufos or just a smoke screen to keep an

588
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:23,600
increasingly anxious congress and public

589
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,350
the public was told everything's under

590
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,559
control

591
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,039
sign grudge blue book that is the

592
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,679
organization that's doing the ufo thing

593
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,440
we have access to the finest scientists

594
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,200
there was a whole bunch of malarkey that

595
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,840
went along with that

596
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,159
it was set up as a public information

597
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,080
office to answer the questions on the

598
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:48,240
ufo phenomena for the public

599
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,919
and their case

600
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,600
information their files were sent down

601
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,760
from upstairs from where my office was

602
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:56,080
my desk was usually cases that could be

603
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,440
explained away

604
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,200
and those were used as sample cases in

605
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,640
dealing with the public

606
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,559
the anything classified above

607
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,480
confidential stayed upstairs and even

608
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,840
went higher

609
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,000
and never got into the

610
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:09,520
came into the preview of blue book at

611
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:09,730
all

612
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,919
[Music]

613
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,120
i don't think it was a genuine

614
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:17,279
investigation in that the really

615
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:20,400
sensitive reports were filtered out

616
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,679
by

617
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,679
a more important group than project blue

618
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,200
book

619
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,360
we have obtained copies of project blue

620
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,279
book documents there are literally

621
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,159
hundreds of reports of ufo sightings and

622
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,320
eyewitness accounts from both civilians

623
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,159
and military personnel

624
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,360
many that were unexplainable

625
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,840
project blue book is still some 40 years

626
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,000
later the most important body of

627
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,720
evidence admitted by the u s authorities

628
00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:48,559
that we have made contact with

629
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:49,720
extraterrestrials

630
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,000
[Music]

631
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,000
the investigation was closed down

632
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,120
suddenly in 1969

633
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,080
no reason was given

634
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,919
blue book was the cover organization

635
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,760
that's the one you heard about that's

636
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,840
the only one ever mentioned and as

637
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,679
recently as last year an air force

638
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,440
letter to a senator

639
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,200
said blue book was it and when we closed

640
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:15,120
it we got out of the business

641
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,559
in reality

642
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,000
all these other groups concerned with

643
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:20,400
monitoring the skies

644
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,360
we're continuing to look at militarily

645
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,000
important cases a light in the sky means

646
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,720
nothing but if one goes buzzing down the

647
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,080
runway

648
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,919
at a strategic air command base where

649
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,159
nuclear weapons are stored which has

650
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:36,000
happened and we've got some records on

651
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:36,960
that

652
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,110
sorry i didn't warn you or anything

653
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,789
i didn't know that we'd both just pop

654
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:54,720
right back in

655
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,080
it's all good no no that's um

656
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,679
uh

657
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,919
yeah it's crazy because we were

658
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,480
we're just going over those files pretty

659
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,320
much this week

660
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,720
that they were talking about

661
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,360
yeah friedman was

662
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,720
yeah i mean

663
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,799
i just i draw parallels to what's

664
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,440
happening now with cosmic journey and i

665
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,960
i also go back to the statement of

666
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,000
george saying that bring this out every

667
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,880
eight to ten years and

668
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:26,559
it seems

669
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:30,320
that cosmic journey was a genuine

670
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,679
effort to bring that but again

671
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,679
it seems like there's

672
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,000
the people who want this out within the

673
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,159
dod and then there's people who were

674
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,559
like no we're this is ours and we're a

675
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,080
squirrel we're going to squirrel away

676
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,279
forever

677
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,120
so

678
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,000
i i don't know i i know

679
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,679
not a lot of people know about cosmic

680
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,159
journey and i just i've always thought

681
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,240
that what happened with tom delong and

682
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,480
what happened to bob axler were so

683
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,520
similar so similar it seems like it

684
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,159
there and there's a lot of um

685
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,880
similar even like talking points

686
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,679
from back in the day yeah you know

687
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,360
like looking at all these documents and

688
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,360
stuff there's a

689
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,520
a lot of the same stuff you see

690
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,080
newspaper clippings about the stigma

691
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,320
being gone and how scientists can get

692
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,840
involved you know

693
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,919
same kind of stuff

694
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,120
um

695
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,919
yeah and also like with like eric davis

696
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,399
last summer saying you know he talked

697
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:32,480
about off-world vehicles

698
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,520
nowhere

699
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:36,880
when bobby raymond and bob bexler talked

700
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,000
they never he said never ufos he always

701
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,640
referred to him as either crafts or

702
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,919
vehicles

703
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,000
so i find that interesting too

704
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,480
like when you get into that world they

705
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,559
don't talk well like we have a disc over

706
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,399
here they don't talk like that

707
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,480
you know it's it's

708
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:56,880
they have with their lingo and acronyms

709
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,840
or whatever exactly yeah

710
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,880
because you probably have to

711
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,760
you know set that tone right away so

712
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,440
people are just used to talking in that

713
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:10,559
language do you exactly yeah otherwise

714
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,260
you're going to be commercial yeah

715
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,600
[Laughter]

716
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,000
you say alien bodies

717
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,480
you can't say that that's not approved

718
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,080
how do you know

719
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,480
where are they from i don't know

720
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:25,200
i don't know what country

721
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,840
yeah yeah oh so that's

722
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,440
um where

723
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,039
are these people now there's just it's

724
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,279
all over it's a thing of the past

725
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,039
basically and

726
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,880
yeah i i know

727
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,559
there's one researcher that tried to

728
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:43,120
find kenneth feld from that production

729
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,399
company

730
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:46,159
can't find them

731
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,080
that i i don't yeah it is weird um

732
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,919
nobody also has been able to find the

733
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,840
full video of

734
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,559
the infomercial so to speak of cosmic

735
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,159
journey nobody's ever been able to find

736
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,279
that now however that clip is from a clc

737
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,600
show

738
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,799
from the

739
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:06,559
mid-90s

740
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,919
uh and maybe one of us could find that

741
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,960
british

742
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,840
pseudo researcher slash journalist from

743
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,080
the show and maybe ask him where

744
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,720
possibly could be i don't know

745
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,840
okay

746
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,799
well

747
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:22,720
there's you know you have to exhaust

748
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,279
your options at least yeah yeah i mean

749
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:29,520
well i see what i can do

750
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,919
i have add so bad when it comes to uh

751
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,159
what i always i'm doing like because

752
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:37,840
i'll start one thing and i'll jump to

753
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,279
another thing and i'm really bad so yeah

754
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,360
no i hear you well so i'm asking

755
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,960
somebody else to do my work yeah i'll do

756
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,200
it don't worry about it

757
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:49,440
just let me know give me a list

758
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:50,399
okay

759
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,840
give me a list i don't like bananas yeah

760
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,679
okay um

761
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:58,559
yeah i just there's a cosmic journey

762
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:02,159
movie from 1936 too did you know that

763
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,279
what's that

764
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,720
there's a cosmic journey movie from 1936

765
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:08,480
no i did not know that

766
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,520
yeah

767
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,919
it's in a different language

768
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,399
so we should probably have

769
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,320
find a way to watch this

770
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,430
i'll bring it up kind of actually pretty

771
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,799
quick it's pretty

772
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:24,559
just from looking at it for a second i

773
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:27,760
was like this is interesting

774
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,250
so

775
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,840
[Music]

776
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,159
you know and i've noticed that in this

777
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,159
field there's a lot of relatable things

778
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,000
that pop up like things with the same

779
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,559
name that are completely different an

780
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:40,080
opposite

781
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,440
you know it's just there's a lot of

782
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,960
synchronicities i guess that's what i'm

783
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,799
saying oh yeah

784
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,200
yesterday there was a ton

785
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:48,960
of mute

786
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,789
we got to get somebody to translate that

787
00:31:02,060 --> 00:30:57,919
stuff

788
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:16,870
[Laughter]

789
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,389
yeah give it here look

790
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,799
yeah stop filming me i can't read that

791
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:22,880
[\h__\h]

792
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,470
come here with me boy we'll go to the

793
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:30,399
little boy's room

794
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:36,870
okay

795
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,230
i got um distracted

796
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:51,679
distracted we were talking about um

797
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,480
yeah

798
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:55,039
basically i'm gonna call the british guy

799
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,399
out and try to

800
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,559
try to get the thing done oh that'd be

801
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,640
amazing that would be nice if we could

802
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,919
find him i mean

803
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:04,080
he should be okay it should be alive i

804
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,519
should say

805
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:07,919
so should kenneth felt now bobby ray

806
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:11,679
inman uh the last i checked he's like 99

807
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,519
or 90 he's very old and he will not talk

808
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,679
about ufo stuff at all

809
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,440
yeah especially

810
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,679
probably faster that

811
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:22,480
well

812
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:25,840
the only thing that he's ever hinted at

813
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,480
and it's not really ufo related is he

814
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,799
gave a lecture

815
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,519
2015 or 2016 about

816
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:35,519
nuclear subs and what some of their

817
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,279
capabilities were with listening stuff

818
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:41,840
underwater

819
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:45,039
and people were like whoa wait what so i

820
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:45,919
don't

821
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,880
but all the europe people in texas go

822
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:54,320
hound him not sure

823
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,120
yeah

824
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,760
hey i know that's where uh hell buddha

825
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:58,559
is

826
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,960
right on over yeah

827
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,279
go catch an indie concert

828
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,480
i often wondered if

829
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,360
bobby raymond was one of the original

830
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,840
people that tom delong talked to i don't

831
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,320
know there's no way right that i can

832
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,120
prove that however in the joe rogan

833
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,360
interview with tom delonge he does

834
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:23,360
mention about somebody who's held

835
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,360
positions in the cia and nsa

836
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,640
wow

837
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,519
so

838
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,360
is it him i don't know

839
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:33,679
this is interesting but robert is

840
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,000
probably my encyclopedia for this stuff

841
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:40,559
okay so

842
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,519
anything he says is probably

843
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,760
pretty accurate

844
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:50,870
i will also say bobby raymond after he

845
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,679
retired he went on to become the head of

846
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,679
saic

847
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,399
when they started to do the anti-gravity

848
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,480
stuff oh

849
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,600
yeah yeah um

850
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,519
but again there was a video on youtube

851
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:07,600
and before i came out i was telling you

852
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,879
that video got deleted i had it and i

853
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,919
was gonna send it to you and they

854
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:14,079
deleted it somebody deleted it

855
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,520
uh it was

856
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,760
subtitled in spanish but it was in

857
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,679
you know you could hear in english but

858
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:21,599
it talked excellent talked about how

859
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,440
inman went on to become the head of saic

860
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,200
and that's right when they were doing

861
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,679
this anti-gravity stuff you sent me like

862
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,399
a message of some key words to use i can

863
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,480
try to find it somewhere

864
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:36,879
okay i'm sure it's somewhere

865
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,280
yeah on the internet

866
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:41,679
somewhere um yeah

867
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,320
yeah essays s-a-i-c has a very

868
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,520
interesting

869
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,079
background with this subject

870
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,000
i would point the finger to them and

871
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,320
lockheed martin those two

872
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,919
for sure

873
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,839
what's that do tell

874
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,320
detail

875
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,400
let's see uh

876
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,760
up to you

877
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,400
no i i can i i will just say

878
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,960
at the beginning of summer uh some of my

879
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:10,160
colleagues

880
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:14,240
myself decided to do a project

881
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:15,359
on

882
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,240
and

883
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,160
we decided to

884
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,599
look into

885
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,560
the buildings where eric davis and emil

886
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:28,079
wilson met

887
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,920
and there's some really weird

888
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,160
things going on there especially with

889
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,640
lockheed martin and mind you that whole

890
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,200
complex was the eg g

891
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,800
where they had met originally back in

892
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:42,240
2002

893
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,359
but

894
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,320
later on lockheed martin bought all

895
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,200
those eg g buildings

896
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,079
through a shell company

897
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:55,920
and i i have the documents to prove this

898
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,359
on top of that the person who procured

899
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,960
these buildings

900
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,880
there's almost nothing on the internet

901
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,440
about this individual other than he's

902
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:08,160
very connected he was a former military

903
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:09,119
guy

904
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,079
um

905
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:12,079
he's like a ghost on the internet other

906
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:13,599
than his

907
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,560
just showing what he's done in his prior

908
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,800
service in the military

909
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:20,000
um

910
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,630
no we have his name but the problem with

911
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:29,040
that is uh i don't want to like doxx

912
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,560
anybody i don't want to yeah yeah yeah

913
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,000
yeah

914
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,119
sure i will say that um

915
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,839
i i will just i will say this because i

916
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,760
said this yesterday on my twitter space

917
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,640
event

918
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,160
i missed that so we

919
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,640
it's all good we got

920
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,960
actually i should i'll take this back i

921
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,040
will take no credit for this research

922
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:51,200
project i'm good at bringing people

923
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:55,119
together and using their strengths so

924
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,880
my colleagues two other ones

925
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,520
one's former military one's not

926
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:04,320
the military former military guy

927
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,280
told

928
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,520
my other colleague where to look and

929
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:09,440
what to use

930
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,480
and

931
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,119
my other colleague we we nicknamed him

932
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,119
the badger because

933
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:18,800
he got so freaking close

934
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:20,839
to

935
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,960
this i i guess situation that the former

936
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,680
military guy had to excuse himself from

937
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,400
this project because he has a friend who

938
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:33,440
works at lockheed skunk works and who is

939
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,280
over the sap programs so he was like

940
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,880
you're getting too close and basically

941
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:40,640
equated what we did

942
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,520
is what russia or china would do to spy

943
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,550
so it's for spaceships

944
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,560
yeah

945
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,079
really

946
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,960
close to something uh i would just say

947
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,320
like i said

948
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,560
lockheed martin used a shell company to

949
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,720
buy all these

950
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,520
uh buildings from eeg

951
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,960
and

952
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,720
it seems

953
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,640
that lockheed martin went out of their

954
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,400
way a lot

955
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,589
like to have a paper trail

956
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,359
the only reason why we know this is

957
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,000
because the former military guy

958
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,320
knew where to look

959
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,359
uh or to tell my other buddy

960
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,079
where to go and get the goods and he did

961
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,320
and when he did he was like oh

962
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,880
he got too close wow

963
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,720
yeah that worked

964
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,880
it did it did

965
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,640
what are we in this for

966
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,359
oh well the unfortunate part am i going

967
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,480
to be on a list now and he's like yeah

968
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,839
but i would just like keep it private i

969
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,760
mean i could talk about that aspect of

970
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,400
it but like the actual documentation i'm

971
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,839
not going to share with everybody and

972
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:55,040
the brother

973
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,480
um

974
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,400
people have seen it and they were

975
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,520
impressed

976
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,079
is this known information

977
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,760
you can't find it

978
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,520
on the internet but you have to know

979
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,119
where to look i mean like generally um

980
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:12,480
in the ufo community i guess no it was

981
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,240
not this is groundbreaking stuff

982
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,599
are you guys listening it's

983
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,200
groundbreaking

984
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:21,040
well ha ha

985
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,240
i don't know what to say i'm not trying

986
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,000
to like shoot my own horn or anything

987
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,560
well no it's just we're so relaxed here

988
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,520
so

989
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,079
do

990
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,640
i couldn't believe it when i got the

991
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,200
the google document back to me and i was

992
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,960
looking through it i'm like

993
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:39,200
oh my god because it includes

994
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,040
phone numbers names addresses wow it

995
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,119
shows the shell company

996
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:48,079
uh that lockheed martin made up

997
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,200
essentially

998
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,119
to buy all this stuff

999
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:54,320
and i think the re i guess the deduction

1000
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,000
was the reason why they bought

1001
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,960
all the egg stuff was not so much for

1002
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,200
the buildings it's because they

1003
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:05,200
themselves lockheed martin did not have

1004
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,560
a

1005
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,160
um

1006
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:10,880
how do i want to put this it seems like

1007
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,599
they did not have a camp the right

1008
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,119
security

1009
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:17,200
so therefore they absorbed somebody

1010
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,960
else's security and made it their own

1011
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:22,720
and i know there's a researcher on

1012
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,319
twitter who will remain nameless

1013
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,599
uh

1014
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,280
that person had

1015
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,680
wondered if lockheed martin wasn't the

1016
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,240
company and that i shared with this

1017
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,040
person i do feel confident it was

1018
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,640
they're at least one of the companies

1019
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,079
that dealt with

1020
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:43,040
the whole wilson stuff but whatever wow

1021
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,480
yeah whatever

1022
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,800
but whatever

1023
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,119
groundbreaking news love you okay so

1024
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,599
what what wait wait wait i got something

1025
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,280
for this i got something for this to pep

1026
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:55,359
it up a little bit here hold on hold on

1027
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,670
that's the wrong one

1028
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,119
[Laughter]

1029
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,839
that's

1030
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,920
true i had a great breaking news one i

1031
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:08,880
don't know

1032
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:11,080
it's all good

1033
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,870
[Music]

1034
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,040
[Laughter]

1035
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,760
it's breaking news people well okay

1036
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,720
well

1037
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,319
there's not a lot happening here in the

1038
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,400
community well no not right now i mean

1039
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,800
we're eating ourselves alive right now

1040
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,200
each other faster than you can say

1041
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,599
stephen green street

1042
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:31,280
okay all right

1043
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,950
that's not it sorry all right forget it

1044
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,480
it's all good

1045
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:47,520
i i can't share with any people anyways

1046
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,560
really to be honest i i can but i can't

1047
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,560
because i don't want to get anybody in

1048
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,920
trouble you know

1049
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,640
yeah well that's

1050
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,280
very kind of you sir well you know

1051
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,720
people would say well you're part of the

1052
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,720
problem you're you're preaching about

1053
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,520
secrecy and then you go and do it well

1054
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:07,520
listen i'm not going to share everything

1055
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,400
with everybody i just i'm not right

1056
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,160
yes

1057
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:14,079
i just not and if you don't like it or

1058
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,280
well then

1059
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,760
so be it well it's just it kind of just

1060
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,319
is what it is right and

1061
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,520
especially if you like a person who

1062
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,240
like if you look at how it is from your

1063
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,560
shoes for instance

1064
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,440
um you have it so you like you know the

1065
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,560
information

1066
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,720
and if people don't believe you or not

1067
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,200
it doesn't affect the truth of it

1068
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,160
exactly i i mean i can't

1069
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,040
i don't really worry what anybody thinks

1070
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,160
i really don't because

1071
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,160
the proof is in the pudding for me

1072
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,920
i try to be

1073
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,560
nice to everybody i try

1074
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:54,640
i don't try

1075
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,680
i don't go on my way to why or anything

1076
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,160
like everybody who said like chris is

1077
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,000
full of crap or whatever

1078
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,960
then why do all these people like if i'm

1079
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,880
full of crap then why do they follow me

1080
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,560
like why do all of these journalists

1081
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,240
follow me if i'm full of crap and i'm

1082
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,560
not trying to boast but it's like

1083
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,200
i'm not i'm trying to get to the truth

1084
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:17,520
yeah and i'm doing what i can to get to

1085
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,560
that truth

1086
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,040
i can say uh from when i first like

1087
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,560
started getting into this stuff on

1088
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,839
twitter and everything you were the

1089
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,079
first freaking guy that like put his

1090
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,640
hand out and was there for me you know

1091
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,520
when i needed something i tried

1092
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,880
and i didn't

1093
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:34,880
i didn't go looking around either i just

1094
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,119
for whatever reason

1095
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,200
i think we only said like one thing to

1096
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,480
each other maybe

1097
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,319
on twitter and then something came up

1098
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,000
and i was like

1099
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,520
i'm just gonna ask him because for

1100
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,280
whatever reason i feel like

1101
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,760
like he's an honest dude so in anywhere

1102
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,599
and you're a great person um and if

1103
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,040
people don't see that then they have

1104
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,960
bigger problems to be quite honest with

1105
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,760
you

1106
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,760
whatever it's all good i mean i've got

1107
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,920
thick skin so

1108
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,680
but people get pissed yeah people get

1109
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,240
better oh i've had people get really

1110
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,560
it's just a human thing

1111
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,319
i probably shouldn't tell people i did

1112
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,760
yesterday but i probably shouldn't tell

1113
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,599
people

1114
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,280
myself and a few colleagues had the

1115
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,920
wilson leak two weeks before even people

1116
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,760
on ufo twitter even knew that it had

1117
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,800
leaked

1118
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,760
oh

1119
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:22,319
[\h__\h] damn

1120
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:23,200
no

1121
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,200
did you get it from ed's house

1122
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,400
yeah i'm the guy no no no no

1123
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,480
dude there is a str

1124
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,160
this is a strange story

1125
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:36,000
it's not a strange story it's just a

1126
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,430
oh i lost too

1127
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,150
yellow

1128
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,309
that's all right his internet must have

1129
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,400
went down for a second this is kind of

1130
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,839
how our

1131
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,200
our uh

1132
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,560
events work actually our interviews work

1133
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,880
we talk we do pretty good then at some

1134
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:03,760
point it kind of just

1135
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:07,839
um the internet goes down somewhere so

1136
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,000
that's what happens um

1137
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,200
yeah

1138
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,480
i think he's trying to come back but i

1139
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:16,160
can't get the device for some reason

1140
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,270
you there

1141
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,630
nope

1142
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,400
all right

1143
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,480
well if you're listening sir you can

1144
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,880
come back and click on the link if not

1145
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,640
that's fine too

1146
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,640
that is up to you

1147
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,880
um we did go 45 minutes so chris if

1148
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:38,079
you're listening

1149
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,109
um did i erase one of your comments no

1150
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,960
i wouldn't do that

1151
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,839
i'm not a comment eraser

1152
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,880
um

1153
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:56,630
you know i would i guess if it was

1154
00:46:01,109 --> 00:46:00,319
offensive or something

1155
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,119
but

1156
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,200
um other than that maybe it was an

1157
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,040
accident

1158
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,440
or maybe it just didn't take

1159
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,000
something like that

1160
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:11,760
yeah i wouldn't worry about it what was

1161
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:17,829
so

1162
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:23,040
uh we got lockheed martin buying a bunch

1163
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:24,240
of uh

1164
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,520
e g g or what is it yeah buildings um

1165
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,520
with the shell company

1166
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,440
yeah i don't

1167
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,440
they will need to connect their mic cam

1168
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,880
yeah i don't know what's happening chris

1169
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:38,400
sorry man

1170
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:46,950
um so that is pretty interesting

1171
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,550
oh

1172
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,560
interesting

1173
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:57,760
so and again um

1174
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,319
lockheed martin pops in here

1175
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,400
lockheed martin i could say this with

1176
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,480
all the research that i've done back in

1177
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,280
the 40s 50s all those documents and

1178
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:10,560
these secret black projects and all that

1179
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,490
different kind of stuff

1180
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:15,119
[Music]

1181
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,470
always around somewhere

1182
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:24,880
even when other people are winning the

1183
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,240
projects back then

1184
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,480
lockheed martin

1185
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,359
still is around in a part of some aspect

1186
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,359
of it

1187
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,520
so it's pretty interesting

1188
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,280
because they do definitely seem like a

1189
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,400
uh

1190
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,960
another arm

1191
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,640
of

1192
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,599
basically our research into development

1193
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,839
efforts

1194
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:50,880
and

1195
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,079
you know when you got a private company

1196
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,880
in there they are um

1197
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,440
a lot more things are possible and a lot

1198
00:48:06,150 --> 00:47:58,880
less things you have to be held

1199
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,270
so

1200
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,829
that's how it is i guess um

1201
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,280
but you know there's there definitely

1202
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,359
were a lot of other companies involved

1203
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,920
right and from a couple of things that i

1204
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:20,960
read

1205
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,829
is like they get they got a lot of

1206
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,280
material they're always picking up the

1207
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,480
material from the stuff you know in john

1208
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,720
keele's book he's talking about it he

1209
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,800
talked about it they kept they get so

1210
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,040
much of this material they actually do

1211
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,800
they find it things crash and they find

1212
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,359
it but guess what they test it

1213
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,760
and guess what it is it's just like

1214
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,800
normal

1215
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,040
metals and stuff like that it's nothing

1216
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,319
exotic and it's a trick

1217
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,400
that the et's or whatever they are are

1218
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,480
tricking you to put you on a certain

1219
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:00,960
path to think it's this thing

1220
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,190
but that's you know just this theory

1221
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,000
obviously but it's a convincing one ah

1222
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,559
that's good to know robert

1223
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,480
i gotta get you two together possibly

1224
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:16,960
you guys know a lot

1225
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,390
and then we have the moon dust stuff so

1226
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,960
then there's that effort

1227
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,559
and the effort i just talked about was

1228
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,960
all through late 40s and 50s and such

1229
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,920
the air material command

1230
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,800
um

1231
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,319
remember that

1232
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,440
highlight

1233
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:38,240
that i showed you of the

1234
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,119
it's like

1235
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,280
north atlantic missiles something i

1236
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,839
don't know ballistic missile something

1237
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,280
uh who are doing

1238
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,359
taking reports on the ufo reports at

1239
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,440
these bases and labs and one of the

1240
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,200
questions is were you able to pick up

1241
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,470
pretty

1242
00:50:02,710 --> 00:49:59,680
why would they even put that on there

1243
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,390
like you're late this is a long long

1244
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,359
long way actually it's not we can

1245
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,800
build things at an atomic level

1246
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,440
it's just what we found predated our

1247
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,280
ability to build things at that level

1248
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,920
which was about 10 years ago

1249
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,119
what's up dude

1250
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,880
hey i don't know what happened i

1251
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:23,280
apologize i took a nap

1252
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,000
no

1253
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,160
it was the government basically

1254
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,240
they always do that when they talk crazy

1255
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,960
and stuff yeah um

1256
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:32,960
i don't know what happened but some kind

1257
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,000
of glitch um but um

1258
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,960
where were we uh um well i was just

1259
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,280
talking about um

1260
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:42,720
basically

1261
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,549
all the different opportunities just

1262
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,720
based on government doc documents alone

1263
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:51,920
where they could have gotten some

1264
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,400
because as we know it just takes one

1265
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,920
well you know

1266
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,760
and they were trying all the time to get

1267
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,040
to get different

1268
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,440
you know fragments of green fireballs or

1269
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:03,040
russian satellites that fell from the

1270
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,319
sky

1271
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,520
they have

1272
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,440
gotten

1273
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,319
a few pieces from what i understand and

1274
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,040
if not a whole intact craft i could

1275
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,480
speak on a

1276
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,680
crash that happened outside of

1277
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,680
las vegas nevada

1278
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:22,160
that not a lot of ufo researchers don't

1279
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,599
get me wrong they do know about this

1280
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,240
case but they don't know the back story

1281
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,280
is it the aztec new mexico no no no okay

1282
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,400
okay

1283
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,079
1964

1284
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,079
on the cattle ranch

1285
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,400
and this rancher

1286
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,800
his land on the left-hand side is

1287
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,319
government land and there's a railroad

1288
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,480
track and then on the right-hand side

1289
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:44,079
is um

1290
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:45,200
his land

1291
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,400
and this ufo or whatever crashed

1292
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,359
and parts of this ufo landed on his

1293
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,359
property and he went and scrolled that

1294
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,480
away

1295
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,920
and then

1296
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:58,319
shortly after the crash uh

1297
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:59,680
the air force

1298
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,720
whoever

1299
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,720
came knocking to his door and said we

1300
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,400
know you have something

1301
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,760
because you're the only person in the

1302
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,920
area and he lied to him and said i don't

1303
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,920
have anything and furthermore if i did i

1304
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,839
wasn't going to give it to you

1305
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,839
and they said well we'll be in contact

1306
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,119
and they didn't

1307
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,119
and then the guy

1308
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,760
he had passed on or he got older and he

1309
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,440
basically handed over the reigns to his

1310
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,319
rent in this this ranch to his daughter

1311
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,559
and she in the 90s had a similar

1312
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,240
incident where two

1313
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,800
government types showed up to her

1314
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:33,200
her dad's ranch her ranch then

1315
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,559
and said um if you have any pieces of

1316
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:37,760
material

1317
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,720
from that that thing that crashed in 64

1318
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,280
we'd appreciate you give it to us now

1319
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,119
and she played dumb too

1320
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,880
uh the only reason why i know about this

1321
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,520
case is there was a gentleman uh that

1322
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,079
had a um was featured on a podcast by

1323
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,400
mark willis that uh

1324
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,040
podcast ufo and then i struck up a

1325
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,040
relationship with him on facebook and

1326
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,359
talk to him and he shared with me like

1327
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,200
straight up like he went and interviewed

1328
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:05,200
his family and they maintained they had

1329
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,480
this piece and

1330
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,319
actually they had apparently two pieces

1331
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,240
because one piece they they did try to

1332
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,800
test in a lab and it miraculously ended

1333
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,800
up disappearing and then with the other

1334
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,720
piece they were they were like we're not

1335
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:19,040
gonna have to happen to us again so

1336
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,640
they decide not to share that with

1337
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,480
anybody and i know it's a fantastical

1338
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,440
claim i have but oh

1339
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:27,680
you've done the story of something

1340
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:30,720
i will say that this this summer this

1341
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,839
past summer that was almost ending now

1342
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,920
some of my colleagues and i were

1343
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,520
very close on

1344
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,839
staying out on the expedition to go and

1345
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,680
meet with that woman

1346
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,599
but that kind of fell through because of

1347
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,319
covid and a few other things but

1348
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:49,200
uh it's still in the works possibly

1349
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,480
maybe

1350
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,359
2022 or beyond right uh

1351
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:55,200
but if people want to read about that

1352
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:58,400
case uh the book by preston bennett uh

1353
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,520
ufos over nevada that case is detailed

1354
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,640
in that book

1355
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,359
preston dennett it's on is he a famous

1356
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:07,680
writer is he written a lot he deals with

1357
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:10,880
a lot with uh ufo uh usos

1358
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,720
uh usos that's right he was just on a

1359
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,160
disclosure team

1360
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,839
yep yeah that was good okay i'm learning

1361
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,599
it's all good man i'm here to teach you

1362
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,359
but hey in a little bit i do have to get

1363
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,760
going like uh can i give you like four

1364
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,920
or five more minutes is that okay

1365
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,920
you take it whatever you want to do okay

1366
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,280
i don't know what do you want to talk

1367
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,359
about

1368
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:36,079
i don't really got anything

1369
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,599
i have a bunch of stuff that i want to

1370
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,440
go look into now

1371
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,319
well there you go well that's good

1372
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:43,920
um

1373
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,880
we've seen a lot of the different uh

1374
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:54,559
things in the background like whether it

1375
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:55,760
be

1376
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:58,880
dramatic things or hard work or liars or

1377
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,839
truth tellers everything right

1378
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,280
um

1379
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,880
so when somebody's approaching this

1380
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,880
topic

1381
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,359
and you know as you easily find it

1382
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:11,119
yourself swayed in one direction or

1383
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,319
another

1384
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,839
how do you

1385
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,400
stay grounded and not get lost in all

1386
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,160
the opinions

1387
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,520
i surround myself with incredible people

1388
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,839
incredible colleagues and friends

1389
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,319
and even with my friends and colleagues

1390
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,960
i there's times i disagree with them

1391
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,520
but it's it's never personal

1392
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,720
um

1393
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,480
obviously on twitter i do take things

1394
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,400
personally sometimes where people take

1395
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,040
things personally but with these set of

1396
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:41,359
researchers and or friends

1397
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:45,119
i bounce ideas off of and or

1398
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,240
i have a

1399
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,319
a big beautiful library and i it's

1400
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:50,079
probably

1401
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,359
you know it's one of those things where

1402
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,599
my wife hates it but you know i probably

1403
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:56,079
spent a couple thousand dollars i've got

1404
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,920
probably over 500 ufo books

1405
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,200
oh yeah

1406
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,480
she's like what am i gonna do with this

1407
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,640
[\h__\h] when you die so

1408
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,559
i don't know i just told her don't burn

1409
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,480
it okay have you read them all or are

1410
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:11,440
they like trophies at this point uh

1411
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,720
no no i've not read them all i i i'm not

1412
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,119
a reader from front to back i'd like to

1413
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,359
just dig in certain parts

1414
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,400
or

1415
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,400
if i want to get woowie here well a lot

1416
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,400
of this is the same phenomenon

1417
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,799
kind of guides me to where i need to

1418
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,000
look at

1419
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,640
the pertinent

1420
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:32,799
yeah i've

1421
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:35,920
i've noticed the same kind of stuff so

1422
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,240
i i think uh there's something to that

1423
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:39,520
for sure

1424
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,559
yeah

1425
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:43,440
good people

1426
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,400
yeah

1427
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:46,640
that's it

1428
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,839
um take his advice he's a good man

1429
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,599
don't take my advice don't take his

1430
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,680
advice he's a piece of [\h__\h]

1431
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,760
yeah

1432
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,000
he likes uh to be mean so let's be mean

1433
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,920
for the last three minutes yes chris how

1434
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,000
about you go

1435
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:03,520
[\h__\h] yourself

1436
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,549
oh i have a question before you go um

1437
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,880
what do you think of uh john keel's kind

1438
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,799
of theory in operation trojan horse

1439
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:15,680
where

1440
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,720
he's kind of describing these metals or

1441
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,720
these sightings as kind of like the

1442
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,040
material sightings as like tricks the

1443
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,280
phenomenon plays to kind of put you off

1444
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:27,920
the right path

1445
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,549
i know you me you're dealing with

1446
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,799
multiple things so maybe what he's

1447
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,720
talking about is more interdimensional

1448
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,359
versus true

1449
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:41,440
yeah something that's coming from

1450
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,359
reticuli i again i i leave room for both

1451
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,280
yeah i just don't know what to make of

1452
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,839
it i mean we get next time i combine

1453
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,319
we'll talk about that but um okay cool

1454
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:54,480
yeah it's wild

1455
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,359
yeah

1456
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,280
do you like kiel as a writer

1457
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,680
yeah he's not bad yeah okay who's your

1458
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:01,200
favorite

1459
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,559
uh leonard stringfield christian

1460
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,880
okay cool

1461
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:08,640
thanks chris i appreciate it man we'll

1462
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,390
all right

1463
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,760
so

1464
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,280
cool stuff

1465
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,630
i had a great time with him so i don't

1466
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,200
know what you guys are talking about

1467
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,359
in these comments

1468
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,799
like i can't even keep who's the

1469
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,400
moderator here

1470
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,160
we don't even have any moderators we got

1471
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,079
just people talking about

1472
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,640
homeless people and

1473
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,440
donating money and i don't know what you

1474
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:41,280
guys are doing

1475
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,160
but

1476
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,160
if you're having fun that's good with me

1477
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:46,240
i blocked the one guy that meals skinner

1478
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,599
because he

1479
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:50,079
said something about pasta lee and you

1480
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,040
know

1481
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,720
i don't have time to look into if

1482
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,040
there's anything to it or not i just saw

1483
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,079
it and blocked the guy so whatever

1484
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,480
nothing personal to him

1485
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,640
it's just distracting for me so i had to

1486
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:05,119
do it

1487
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:06,160
oh

1488
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,040
yeah

1489
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,599
so thanks everybody for coming out

1490
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,680
hanging out what's up

1491
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,440
thanks for coming to lee kim good to see

1492
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:16,319
you first timer feels like the first

1493
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,920
time so i'll see you guys later

1494
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,960
um

1495
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,559
we'll see you tomorrow we have jazz shaw

1496
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:24,880
for the fifth and final

1497
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,520
episode of this installment of uap

1498
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,440
college boot camp

1499
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,680
i'm looking forward to that

1500
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:33,520
and after that it's

1501
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,720
big phone home time all big phone home

1502
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:38,319
we're going down

1503
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,200
hard on that this year so

1504
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:43,920
um yeah with that being said